August 24, 2007


Writer Starlee Kine on what makes the perfect break-up song and whether really sad music can actually make you feel better. Plus, an eight-year-old author of a book about divorce, and other stories from the heart of heartbreak.

Anna Parini


Host Ira Glass talks with Lauren Waterman, who's in the middle of a break-up right now and grappling with totally contradictory feelings. She wants her boyfriend to call, but also—maybe a little bit—doesn't want him to call. She misses him and doesn't want to stop thinking about him...but also does all of this elaborate math to calculate the day she'll finally be over him. (5 minutes)

Dr. Phil

In the wake of a break-up, writer Starlee Kine finds so much comfort in break-up songs that she decides to try and write one herself—even though she has no musical ability whatsoever. For some help, she goes to a rather surprising expert on the subject: Phil Collins. (29 minutes)

Starlee Kine is co-creator of the Post-It Note Reading Series in Brooklyn. She was assisted in her efforts by musicians Joe McGinty and Julia Greenberg, who co-wrote the song featured in this story. Joe McGinty's most recent CD, with his band Baby Steps, is Kiss Me, Stupid. It includes another song heard in Starlee's story, "This Song Is Three Days Old," which is available for purchase at his MySpace page. Julia Greenberg is co-author of the rock musical People Are Wrong.