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July 19, 2024

The Big Rethink

People rethinking some of the most important relationships in their lives — with their sister, their political party, and the nominee for president.

A photo of President Biden talking to Rep. Seth Moulton

President Biden talks with Rep. Seth Moulton after the State of the Union address on February 7, 2023.

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Note: The internet version of this episode contains un-beeped curse words. BEEPED VERSION.

Prologue

Prologue

Ira observes that we are in a moment of national reconsideration. (2 minutes)

Act One

Fate of the Union

Zoe Chace reports on a surprising guest at the Republican National Convention: Teamsters president Sean O’Brien. (18 minutes)

Act Two

Out on a Limb

Ira talks to Representative Seth Moulton about what it was like to be among the first members of Congress to call for President Joe Biden to step aside. (18 minutes)