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876: Bigger Than Me

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Prologue: Prologue

Ira Glass

OK, so I want to tell you a story, and I'm going to start with the part you probably already know about. In November, six Democrats, all veterans of the US military or intelligence communities, came out with a video, saying to people in uniform, you took an oath like we did.

Mark Kelly

Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders.

Elissa Slotkin

You can refuse illegal orders.

Chris Deluzio

You must refuse illegal orders.

Elissa Slotkin

No one has--

Ira Glass

Those are Senators Mark Kelly and Elissa Slotkin and Congressman Chris Deluzio. They did not specify what illegal orders they might be referring to. At the time, just like now, the Trump administration was shooting boats of supposed drug runners out of the water off the coast of Venezuela, and lots of military experts and veterans were saying this did not seem to be legal. In the past, if we found boats of drug runners, we arrested them. We didn't just kill them on the spot in cold blood with no due process.

The video also didn't mention the president trying to order the National Guard into American cities, Portland and Chicago, where judges stopped the orders, saying they were illegal. Like I say, the video mentioned no specific orders at all.

And really, the video might have vanished into the daily noise of a million news stories and online videos, like almost everything else does these days. It really could have come and gone and been forgotten, except that the president went on Truth Social and called the video seditious behavior, punishable by death. He said he wanted the lawmakers to be tried as traitors. Stephen Miller, who seems to run so many things in the White House these days, went on TV to declare--

Stephen Miller

It is insurrection, plainly, directly, without question. It's a general call for rebellion, saying that those who carry weapons in America's name should defy their chain of command and engage in open acts of insurrection.

Ira Glass

So in other words, we ended up in one of those completely exhausting and very familiar standoffs between Republicans and Democrats, with the Democrats saying, we're just telling people to obey the law, and Republicans saying the Democrats, as always, are trying to overthrow Trump, this time with a military insurrection. And in the middle of all that are the two million people serving in the active military or National Guard or Reserves right now.

What are they thinking? Are many of them worried about getting illegal orders or getting legal orders that they're not comfortable with? We reached out to the handful of organizations that service people can call if they want confidential legal advice on that kind of thing. None of them could put us in touch quickly with any of the service people they talked to, but they all did confirm that they've seen an uptick in calls since the Trump administration came in. Most did not see more calls after the Democrats' video.

And I want to emphasize the numbers of calls that they get are low compared to the immense size of the Armed Forces. GI Rights Hotline has been getting a little over 200 calls a month, on average, since June. An organization called About Face only gets a few calls a week. Brittany Ramos DeBarros answers all those calls. She's an Army vet who served in Afghanistan.

Brittany Ramos Debarros

Lately, I think we've seen a lot of people who are in the National Guard saying orders are being circulated to support ICE or to occupy an American city. I'm really concerned that I'm going to be forced to participate in one of these operations, and I don't believe that that's right, and I want to know what my options are if I don't want to participate in that.

People signed up thinking, I'm going to help rescue people from floods and help with the aftermath and cleanup of hurricanes. I didn't sign up to go police American citizens. That's not what the military is for.

Ira Glass

The Pentagon wants to create these quick response forces, 500 National Guard in each state, to control civil unrest and riots. Have you heard about that?

Brittany Ramos Debarros

Yes. I spoke to someone last week who said that their unit has had voluntary orders, where they're asking people to volunteer to be part of these QRFs, and that they so far had been able to decline them.

But they were calling because they were worried that it was going to not be optional soon, because they weren't seeing a lot of people volunteer, and that the sentiment within the units that they were in and connected to seemed to be that people thought this is bullshit. Like, I'm not going to be part of an anti-protest force in my own state. That's not what I signed up for the National Guard for.

Ira Glass

Earlier in the year, most of her calls were from the National Guard. Then, that changed in June.

Brittany Ramos Debarros

Then we saw the Marines be mobilized to LA. And suddenly, I think a much larger swath of people in the active military were like, wait a minute. This is wild, and I might be implicated in this, and I need to know what my red lines are. And what are my choices, and what are the consequences I'm willing to take on?

We have more and more people with the escalations that we're seeing in the Caribbean that are saying, I am connected in some way to units that are carrying out these boat strikes or these preparations for attacks on Venezuela and things like that that are really gravely concerned.

Ira Glass

Have you heard from people who've refused orders already?

Brittany Ramos Debarros

I have heard from people who said, I got orders, and I decided not to show up for them. What do I do now?

Ira Glass

And what were the orders? What kind of orders?

Brittany Ramos Debarros

This person I'm thinking of was active duty, and so he just stopped showing up. He was supposed to be supporting the establishment of immigrant detention facilities, and he went what's called AWOL-- Absent Without Leave-- and he just stopped showing up. The way he described it, he panicked, because it wasn't this drawn-out process. He was just like, this is bad, and I don't know what to do. And he didn't have anyone to reach out to about it, so he just stopped showing up.

Ira Glass

Right.

Brittany Ramos Debarros

He panicked. So we connected him with legal support. Since he already made that choice, it's just a matter of helping him to navigate the legal consequences.

Ira Glass

Because of her hotline's confidentiality rules, I should say we could not confirm this story or the others that she told us by talking to the service people involved. But we were able to verify many details.

Brittany says she does not advise anybody on what they should do, but tells them what their options are. People can stay in their units and speak out publicly about things that they object to, within certain limits. But even if they follow the rules, they could face all kinds of consequences.

People who want out can file papers to be conscientious objectors, which can lead to wildly various outcomes. They can be reassigned to other duties, or they can be discharged. Simply refusing to obey orders can get you court martialed. Of course, people can choose to do nothing.

Brittany Ramos Debarros

I've talked to active military members who were really upset about what's happening, but who said, my kids are in school. We're struggling to get by as it is. And unless I'm actively being asked to do something that I believe is wrong, I can't afford to do anything about what I believe right now.

Ira Glass

Can you think of somebody like that and tell me about that conversation?

Brittany Ramos Debarros

Well, we've been doing a lot of outreach in DC, to the National Guard members in DC. And our members will go out and have conversations with people while they're patrolling, give them flyers that share that if they ever want to reach out for resources, they can. And when we initially started those conversations and that outreach, we had no idea how that was going to be received, what the disposition of people was.

And they were really willing to talk to us. And most of them said, yeah, I don't know why we're here. This is pointless. This is dumb. I'm away from my family. I'm losing pay, even, in my regular job because of this. And what we heard from many of them was this is really good information. I believe my orders are legal currently. But if I ever am given an illegal order, I'll keep this in mind.

Ira Glass

It can be hard to figure out what to do sometimes. I was in Mexico, in Oaxaca, a couple weeks ago. And in this church, in Spanish on one of the walls, it said, here are the remains of people like you and like me, people who knew how to act with faith and charity in the historic moment and the circumstances that God decided to put them in.

And I read that, and I thought, am I doing the best I should be doing in the historic moment that God decided to put me in?

Today on our show, history comes knocking, and a bunch of people have to figure out what to do. From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life. I'm Ira Glass. Stay with us.

Act One: Mother Knows Best

Ira Glass

It's This American Life, Act One, "Mother Knows Best."

Fela Kuti is at a special level of fame where, yes, lots of people have no idea who he is. But for people who do, there could not be a bigger musical star. He was a worldwide musical phenomenon by the 1980s, iconic, from Nigeria. He ushered in an entire new genre of music, which he called afrobeat.

Fela was also a profoundly political figure. Nigeria was still a newly independent country in the 1970s and '80s, still very much trying to answer questions about what kind of nation it was going to be. Fela's songs criticized colonialism in all of its forms, openly challenged Nigeria's ruling military government. He took on apartheid South Africa and the United States.

Fela Kuti

All dey talk of Black man power

Water, him not get enemy!

I dey talk of Black power, I say

Water!

Ira Glass

Fela called for the complete rejection of most things European and Western and tried to live that way. He went so far as to found his own commune and declared it to be its own republic, free of government control.

His politics were radical, but also messy. His version of being an Africanist led him to pretty ugly views about gay people and women. They make him a complicated person to explain.

Recently, Jad Abumrad embarked on a journey to do just that. Jad is the creator and longtime co-host of Radiolab, and he did a big series on Dolly Parton that won all kinds of awards and lots of people heard. Now, he's put out a whole series about Fela, and a big chunk of it is about how Fela's music and his politics spoke to each other.

And one of the stories that Jad tells, a story that we're going to excerpt here today, is about where Fela's anti-colonial politics came from. Jad says that some of those beliefs can be traced back to his mother, Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti. The story of her political accomplishments is not that well known outside of Nigeria, and it's kind of an amazing story on its own. What she did in her small town helped transform the entire country. Here's Jad with the story.

Jad Abumrad

The story starts in the 1940s, Abeokuta, Nigeria, a town that is about 50 miles north of Lagos. In Yoruba, "Abeokuta" means "refuge under the rocks," because what you see at the center of town is this massive granite boulder. It's a really beautiful place.

And the British felt that Abeokuta was their crown jewel, really proof that the colonial project was working. Everything in Abeokuta was exactly as they wanted it. And our main character, Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti, Fela Kuti's mother, she was kind part of that system, at least initially. She taught at a very Christian, very British prep school--

Jad Abumrad

Is this it, you think?

--that is still there today.

Jad Abumrad

Abeokuta Grammar School.

[CHATTER]

When we visited, we saw hundreds of small kids in Christian prep uniforms, little boys in yellow shirts and ties, little girls in checked skirts. And everywhere we went, about 20 young people, ages 12 to about 15, stared at us, very confused why we were there.

Jad Abumrad

Hello.

Children

Hello.

Jad Abumrad

Can I talk to you for a minute?

Children

Yes.

Jad Abumrad

Do you know Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti?

Children

Yes.

Jad Abumrad

What do you know about her?

Brittany Ramos Debarros

She's the first woman to drive a car.

Jad Abumrad

She's the first woman to drive a car?

Kid 2

Yes.

Jad Abumrad

This is something you hear a lot. And, in fact, her car is on display at a museum in town.

Jad Abumrad

What do they teach you about her at the school?

Kid 3

She's a teacher.

Kid 4

And a woman leader.

Jad Abumrad

She's a teacher and a woman leader.

Kid 5

Sir?

Jad Abumrad

Yes.

Kid 5

She was the first woman to stop the pain of tax of women.

Jad Abumrad

To stop the pain of tax of women.

Kid 5

Yes.

Jad Abumrad

Boom! That's the story we're going to tell on the radio.

Kid 5

Yes.

Jad Abumrad

OK. Last question. Last question. Do you have an anthem for Abeokuta Grammar School?

Children

Yes.

Jad Abumrad

Can you sing it for us?

Children

Yes.

[NON-ENGLISH SINGING]

Jad Abumrad

OK, scene, set, done. It's the 1940s. Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti and her husband are running the grammar school. If you see pictures of her from this era, she dresses in almost Victorian style clothing-- puffy sleeves, buttons going down the front. She reminds you of the person you knew at school who is president of all the clubs.

Colonialism had basically created this whole new class of Nigerian elite who worked with the British. And she was basically that, at least at first.

Judith Byfield

The first organization that she creates is actually an organization to teach Christian girls how to be good wives.

Jad Abumrad

This is historian Judith Byfield. She showed me photocopies of handwritten notes from Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti archives.

Jad Abumrad

Minutes of the Abeokuta Ladies Club.

Judith Byfield

It's called the Abeokuta Ladies Club.

Jad Abumrad

Are these the actual minutes from 1945?

Judith Byfield

Yeah, and, actually, I have a couple more envelopes. Make yourself comfortable.

Judith Byfield

They were planning picnics.

Jad Abumrad

Picnic at 10:00 AM to 4:00 PM on the 31st. God, we have a whole dance program here.

Judith Byfield

They were planning dances.

Jad Abumrad

Foxtrot, Hokey Pokey. Wow.

Judith Byfield

They were planning cookery classes. They were talking about how to recruit--

Jad Abumrad

It was again suggested that more ladies should be asked to join the club.

Judith Byfield

--for the next set of girls.

Jad Abumrad

That's her handwriting right there. Wow, very loopy, precise cursive. F. Ransome-Kuti, President. It's a weird thing when you see someone's handwriting.

Judith Byfield

Oh, yeah.

Jad Abumrad

They're there suddenly.

And it turns out reading and writing would become one of the things, one of the catalytic agents that would take Funmilayo from cooking classes to coup plotting.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

So--

Jad Abumrad

This is historian Cheryl Johnson-Odom. She says it started one day in church.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

She said she was in church one time, and there was a market woman friend of hers who was singing but holding the hymnal upside down. And she said that was when she realized she couldn't read. And she just learned the words. So she said the market women, because of the little group she had, started coming to her.

Jad Abumrad

We can imagine after the service, Fumilayo told the woman, hey, I have this club, why don't you come. We'll teach you--

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

--how to read.

Jad Abumrad

This woman was not the kind of person who would have typically gone to the ladies club.

Judith Byfield

So the ladies club where all these elite Christian women.

Jad Abumrad

She worked in the markets.

Judith Byfield

Very different class.

Jad Abumrad

We might guess that she sold dyed cloth.

Judith Byfield

A tie dyer.

Jad Abumrad

Judith says that was a major industry in Abeokuta. The market women would use indigo dye to create these very particular undulating patterns that look like water.

Pretty soon, all of the cloth dyers, and the rice sellers, and the red pepper sellers, and the potato sellers were all coming to Funmilayo's ladies club for reading lessons.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

In fact, Wole Soyinka, he's written about how he would sometimes be at her compound.

Nigerian Reader

Women of every occupation, the cloth dyers, weavers, basket makers, they arrived in ones, twos, groups. They came from near and distant compounds. They smelled of the sweat of the journey, of dyes, dried fish, yam flour. In addition to the head tie, their shoulder shawls, neatly folded, were placed lightly on their heads.

Wole Soyinka

Well, you saw the swirling colors and the womem's sashes.

Jad Abumrad

That's Nobel Prize-winning writer Wole Soyinka, who is actually Fela Kuti's cousin. He spent a lot of time around Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti and has written about her extensively.

Wole Soyinka

You saw the movement of the clothing, which meant get out of my way.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

He talked about them being the wrapper wearers. He said when the wrapper wearers showed up, boy, something was going down.

Judith Byfield

And so the ladies club then sets up this literacy program, and Fela is involved.

Jad Abumrad

Fela, apparently, would sit with the cloth makers and the peanut sellers, and he would teach them how to write their letters.

Judith Byfield

Wole Soyinka is involved. They're all helping to teach the market women to write.

Wole Soyinka

Well, as I confessed, I was a great eavesdropper as a child.

Jad Abumrad

Wole Soyinka said that, inevitably, after the reading and writing lessons, the talk would turn to politics, and the kids would have to leave the room. But he, and we might imagine Fela next to him, they would crouch down and listen just out of sight. And when they did, he says, they would hear the same words coming up over and over.

Wole Soyinka

Taxes.

Judith Byfield

Taxes.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

Taxes.

Judith Byfield

Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes.

Wole Soyinka

And also--

Judith Byfield

The Alake.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

The Alake. The Alake.

Wole Soyinka

The Alake of Abeokuta was a formidable personality in his own right.

Jad Abumrad

This person, the Alake, is going to come up a lot, so let me explain the situation and who he was. Nigeria was a British colony, which we know. But colonialism took many forms. Unlike, say, South Africa, the Brits in Nigeria didn't have many white people on the ground. Instead, what they did was they ruled Nigeria through surrogates, like the Alake.

Judith Byfield

The Alake, which is the king of this town.

Jad Abumrad

Technically, the Alake was a king, and he definitely looks like it. In one photo of him, he's decked out in flowing robes with gold detailing, big crown studded with jewels, and someone is always holding a fringed umbrella over his head.

But if you look to the side of the picture, you see a white guy with a mustache and a shiny top hat. In most photos of the Alake, there is a guy like that standing right at the edge of the picture.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

Basically, the Alake is being told what to do by the British, and he's being held in power by the British. And the decision making is British, even if it comes out of the Alake's mouth.

Judith Byfield

This was the basis of indirect rule. That was what the British said was so important about their system that they left those Indigenous political leaders, or titles at least, in place.

Jad Abumrad

This is why the British loved Abeokuta so much, because it was the perfect case study for their classic move. British government did this all over Asia in what is now Singapore, India, Bangladesh, and, of course, Africa. They would go in, take control of the leaders, and then use a local man dressed ostentatiously to execute their plans.

Ruby Harron Walsh

OK, so full confession-- I'm not really supposed to be recording in here. This is his diary from 1912 to 1915.

Jad Abumrad

Our producer, Ruby Walsh, found a diary of one colonial officer who put it pretty plainly.

Ruby Harron Walsh

The titular ruler is the Alake, who knows no English and started life as a canoe boy. However, the British commissioner, Mr. Young, is, of course, the dominating factor. The little state is somewhat in the position of a would-be independent, but really very dependent, child.

Jad Abumrad

Getting back to the story, the market women coming to those literacy meetings were pissed. Because around 1938, the British colonial officers, those men in suits at the margins of the photos, they went to the Alake and told him, we need you to tax the women in the market. Because at that time--

[SIREN WAILING]

News Reporter

Germany has invaded Poland and has bombed many towns.

Jad Abumrad

--World War II was about to happen. Hitler was rampaging his way through Europe.

News Reporter

General mobilization has been ordered in Britain and France.

Jad Abumrad

And this is something that no one teaches you in history class, but a lot of the manpower for the war effort came from European colonies in Africa.

News Reporter

The people of Africa are doing excellent work to help the Allied cause, both by the production of raw materials and by finding men for the armed forces.

Wole Soyinka

You saw the soldiers being moved across Abeokuta in lorries, and they were going to fight some nasty man called Adolf Hitler, the big ogre overseas, who, in some way or the other, was involved in our own local politics on the wrong side.

Jad Abumrad

This was happening all over Africa. You had the Nigeria regiment. You had stations on the shore of Sierra Leone. You had the Gold Coast regiment. And so the British government now had this problem.

Judith Byfield

They're trying just to make sure they get enough rice to feed the soldiers. And so there are all these conversations about how can we, in a sense, put more of a squeeze on the population? It's a really combustible situation for these market women.

Jad Abumrad

What the British decided to do was create a contingent of tax collectors. These were native tax collectors, so non-white. But like the Alake, they were directed by the British colonial officers.

Wole Soyinka

They were hated. They were hated. They were considered the slaves of white district officers.

Jad Abumrad

The tax collectors would march in to the markets, demand that the market sellers unload all their potatoes and their rice for a third of what they were asking.

Judith Byfield

And if you don't sell to me, I'll actually just confiscate it, and you get nothing. So during the war, they had no control over the prices.

Jad Abumrad

On top of that, the tax collectors would levy all these new fines on the women.

Judith Byfield

Not only tax them, but make sure they pay.

Jad Abumrad

So at those literacy meetings, the market woman would tell Funmilayo these stories about how they were being harassed, how they would try to sell at night to avoid the tax collectors but often get caught.

Judith Byfield

Taken to court and tried and sometimes get hard labor. They were putting them in jail. At one point, they started jailing them outside of Abeokuta so that their families couldn't see them.

Jad Abumrad

Wole Soyinka writes about one literary meeting where an old woman got up to speak.

Nigerian Reader

She was so old that she had to be assisted up. The meeting was her first, and she had dragged her feeble body to the assembly as a last hope for the menace now hanging over her head. She tells her story.

Her son died and left 13 children behind, so she took over the farm to provide for them. Then, tax officers came to her and said, because she has a large farm, she gets a special assessment, asking for far more money than she has ever had.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

You know, one of the things that the colonial enterprise did was it made assumptions about the way society was organized and structured. It made assumptions about women. For instance, it went into the marketplace, and it started telling women where they could locate their markets. Well, nobody told women where they could look at their markets, not even African men.

Because there was a really different status between the public status of women and the private status of women. And private women were, I'd say, generally oppressed by Indigenous patriarchy. In public, it was like a whole different thing.

I mean, I saw a woman-- I don't tell this story often-- who was telling everybody what to do in the market-- you know, blah, blah, blah, blah-- men, too. But I went to her house one time, and she was serving her husband on her knees. And I'm like, this can't be you. This cannot be you.

And so the colonial enterprise began interfering with what had been the traditional rights of women-- where to decide where a market went, how much to charge for something. And so the women began to get very agitated.

Jad Abumrad

All of which is to say that as the meetings went on, the nature of the relationship between Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti and these market women began to shift. At first, it was just reading lessons. But then, the market women began to approach her and ask her if she would write letters for them, letters to the Alake, to the British colonial officials.

Jad Abumrad

Wow.

Aki Labi

So where we are right now used to be her study-- Funmilayo's study.

Jad Abumrad

We took a tour of her house, a small, two-story house with a balcony overlooking a busy street. And our tour guide--

Aki Labi

My name is Aki Labi. I'm the manager at the Kuti Heritage Museum.

Jad Abumrad

--showed us her home office, a spare room, tiny rug chair.

Aki Labi

These are our original furnitures that we had to refurbish.

Jad Abumrad

Is that an original turntable there?

Aki Labi

Oh, yeah, it is.

Jad Abumrad

Wow. What would she-- she'd probably listen to hymns, would you guess?

Aki Labi

Yeah.

Jad Abumrad

There was an old wooden desk facing out the window, and it was very easy to imagine her sitting there typing, just rifling off the hundreds of letters found in her archives.

Nigerian Reader

The Igbo women's suffering is becoming unbearable. Igbo women have been summoned, worried, harangued, and ill treated by tax collectors. They said the soup they were given would not be eaten by dogs.

They had to spread their blankets out to sleep on. Young girls are sometimes stripped naked in the streets by the men, officially designated collectors, in order to ascertain whether they are mature enough to pay tax or not. A woman was jailed with a 9-day-old baby after she had paid her tax to the tax collector.

Jad Abumrad

Back with Judith.

Jad Abumrad

All right, so this is a letter to Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti from, I guess, an officer.

In one exchange about that jailed woman, an officer replied.

Jad Abumrad

My Dear Mrs. Kuti, what does it matter if a woman is jailed with a day-old baby? What we want to know is that she pays her tax. Wow.

Judith Byfield

So they were taking these stories to Ransome-Kuti, and then Ransome-Kuti would try to talk to the Alake on their behalf. He would basically say, there's nothing I can do.

Jad Abumrad

He'd say you have to talk to the British. This is their policy.

Judith Byfield

And she was like, we have exhausted all these channels. We go to the colonial officials. They tell us it's the Alake. They go to him, and he says, it's not me. It's the colonial officials who you have to talk to. They have had it. They're like, this run around has to stop.

Jad Abumrad

Wole Soyinka remembers the moment when the vibe irrevocably shifted. It happened at the grammar school.

Nigerian Reader

A tumult overspilled the courtyard.

Jad Abumrad

Market women had come from all over.

Nigerian Reader

There was no question of my going home that night. I sensed the beginning of an unusual event and was gripped by the excitement. The women's group met till late. I had long fallen asleep on the bench in the dining room, and woke up the following morning in a bed in the dormitory of Mrs. Kuti's class. On the following morning, at breakfast, I heard for the first time the expression Abeokuta Women's Union.

Judith Byfield

The Abeokuta Women's Union.

Jad Abumrad

Wow, this is a--

At this point in the archives, you see a switch flip. No more ladies club. This is a union. And no more Western clothes. From this point forward, she would dress in the same wraps and headscarves as the market women.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

She started only wearing Nigerian clothing. She never wore Western clothing again.

Jad Abumrad

OK, this is constitutional rules and regulations, aims and objectives of the unions-- to establish and maintain unity and cooperation among all women in Igboland.

Igboland, by the way, is a reference to one of the dominant ethnic groups in Nigeria.

Jad Abumrad

To cooperate with all organizations seeking and fighting genuinely and selflessly for the economic and political freedom and independence of the people. Dang. Number 5-- to raise and maintain necessary and adequate-- man, it's like I read this stuff, and I'm like, we've got to get our shit together. These people were organized.

Judith Byfield

And, you know, she had a car, so she used to drive to different communities and hold meetings with them.

Jad Abumrad

And we know, because Fela told it to his biographer, Carlos Moore, that when she got in a car to go to a meeting, she would often take him with her.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

So she and her husband owned this school. And so the school had huge grounds, and that's where the wrapper wearers would meet.

Jad Abumrad

While we were at the school, I kept looking into the fields behind where the kids were doing the Bible study. I mean, it wasn't the same field, but I kept trying to imagine what it would have looked like filled with thousands of women.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

You know, there were-- the estimates are between 10,000 and 20,000 members.

Jad Abumrad

According to Wole Soyinka, the first protest happened almost spontaneously.

Nigerian Reader

They poured out of the grammar school compound, filled the streets, and marched towards the palace of the Alake.

Jad Abumrad

It was a bust. The authorities quickly shut it down and jailed Funmilayo, saying she didn't have a permit to march. When she was released, she thought, OK, fine. If you're not going to let us have a protest--

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

They said they were going to have a picnic. So they gathered 10,000 women to go have a picnic. And they were carrying little packets of food.

Jad Abumrad

A week before, Funmilayo had held a massive meeting in her courtyard.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

And she said it at her compound. She came out, and she said to them-- and she said she was screaming because there were so many of them. Because she started talking, and they were like, in the back, I can't hear you. So she was screaming through her hands.

And she was saying, look. This is the time. I'm going to turn my back to you, and anybody who wants to can scurry away. I won't know who you are. I won't see you.

Jad Abumrad

Whoa.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

But when I turn back around, everybody I see better be on board. And so she turned her back. And according to everybody, nobody left.

Jad Abumrad

Oh, my god.

And then, as Wole Soyinka describes it, all at once, all 10,000 women took off their head wraps.

Wole Soyinka

It was always a dramatic moment. Normally, there's a head tie nestling peacefully on the head. The moment there's going to be conflict, off would come the head tie to the waist.

Jad Abumrad

They would tie it around their waist like a belt.

Wole Soyinka

It's like throwing down the gauntlet. When a woman takes off her head tie, ties it like a sash around her waist, men scatter.

Jad Abumrad

Oh, my god. You can see her addressing the crowd. What! Oh, wow. You can see the crowd.

After 3.5 hours of diggig through the archives that Judith Byfield had laid out for me, I found these black-and-white pictures.

Jad Abumrad

There's literally like 10,000 people, 10,000 heads.

In one picture, shot from above, you see thousands of heads covered in white scarves, white circles filling every millimeter of the picture. And to the side, on a platform, one woman addresses them. And next to her, maybe a young boy? Probably. I'm just imagining it. I'm getting a little too excited.

Jad Abumrad

Oh, my God, these pictures.

This rally is perhaps the moment right before they march to the Alake's palace, which is when things really go down.

Judith Byfield

My sense of it is you would see this sea of women approaching the palace.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

What you would see is you would see men getting out of the way. And they would often tell the British. The British would come to them and say, get these women to stop it. And they would say, we don't tell the market women what to do. We cannot stop it.

Judith Byfield

And there's a wonderful passage in Aké, where Soyinka talks about one of the chiefs running into his mother's shop and hiding there, because the women had stripped him of his clothes and just reduced him to his underwear.

Jad Abumrad

Speaking of Wole Soyinka, he snuck ahead of the women to the palace, which we visited. Picture a gated mansion painted canary yellow. He snaked through the gate, under the stone archway, and into this spacious square.

Jad Abumrad

OK, we're in the-- this must have been the courtyard where they were. It's a big open space with peacocks milling about.

[PEACOCK SQUAWKING]

As you walk into the courtyard, you see a building in front of you, yellow building.

Ruby Harron Walsh

There's an image of them talking to the Alake, and the Alake coming down from a balcony. That might have been the balcony.

Jad Abumrad

That's probably the balcony.

Up high, there was a single balcony with glass doors, the Alake's bedroom. He initially stayed inside as the women flooded the courtyard.

Jad Abumrad

So they were probably right here. You'd just see a sea of white headscarves.

Ruby Harron Walsh

Absolutely.

Jad Abumrad

At first, some of the Alake's junior chiefs come outside and try and hold the women back to keep them from entering. They comply, but only in exchange for a conversation with the Alake. So the juniors go inside. Then, the glass doors on that balcony opened, and the Alake stepped out, dressed in his gold robes.

Nigerian Reader

When the Alake appeared, they curtsied, going down on their knees but no more. The Alake had obviously resolved to receive the emissaries courteously.

Jad Abumrad

A protester, one of Mrs. Kuti's lieutenants, stepped forward and called up to the Alake.

Nigerian Reader

Kabiyesi: the message--

Nigerian Reader

The message which I bring you today is the message of all women who have left their stalls, their homes, and children, their farms and petty affairs to come and visit you today. They are the suffering crowd who are gathered on your front lawn. You can see them yourself, Kabiyesi. They are all the womanhood of Igbo.

The voice with which I speak is the voice of our Bira, Mrs. Kuti. The words which you hear from me are the words of Mrs. Kuti. She asked me to tell you on behalf of those women you see outside that the women of Igbo have had enough.

Wole Soyinka

In hindsight, it was rather like protagonists and the chorus.

Jad Abumrad

Wole Soyinka describes the scene almost like it had a kind of mythic choreography.

Wole Soyinka

You had the massed women. You had the moment when the white district officer came in through the gates and was booed roundly.

Jad Abumrad

A policeman ordered a district officer to clear his way through the crowd towards Mrs. Kuti. As he moved through, the women threw insults at him from all directions, getting in his face. Mrs. Kuti stayed rooted.

Officer

Officer-- look here, Mrs. Kuti. We are trying to hold a serious meeting here. Will you kindly keep your women in orde?

Nigerian Reader As Funmilayo Ransome-kuti

Mrs. Kuti-- so are we holding a serious meeting, or do you think we're here to play?

Officer

Officer-- well, tell them to shut up Shut up your women.

Jad Abumrad

Mrs. Kuti apparently squinted her eyes.

Wole Soyinka

I think her exact words were you may have been born, but you were not bred.

Jad Abumrad

Those words would fly around Abeokuta for weeks.

Wole Soyinka

I think that's the one which then became translated that you lack bread in your house and all kinds of other versions. Anyway, she gave it to him back with interest.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

And it was at that point that the women began to sing.

Women

[NON-ENGLISH SINGING]

Jad Abumrad

This is one of the most interesting parts of the story to me.

Jad Abumrad

Oh, look at this.

Judith Byfield

Yeah, this--

Jad Abumrad

All songs sung during the Women's Union demonstrations from Fort-- oh, hello. This is-- what?

In the archives that Judith showed me, Fumilayo has documented all of the songs, the protest songs that the women sang when they occupied the palace.

Women

[NON-ENGLISH SINGING]

Jad Abumrad

First of all, there are a lot of these songs. There's 200 different songs they were singing.

Judith Byfield

Mm-hmm.

Jad Abumrad

Every protest movement is defined by its music, to some degree, and there are pages and pages of these songs in the archives.

Women

[NON-ENGLISH SINGING]

Jad Abumrad

All the songs are in Yoruba, so we hired a language expert to help us translate them, and then a choir in Lagos to sing them. And these songs are wild.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

Because they would sing insulting songs.

Jad Abumrad

And a quick warning, they get kind of graphic.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

They would say things like--

Women

[CHANTING]

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

You know, white man is not going to get back to his country alive. We're going to cut off the Aleke's head. The Alake's genitals are small. I mean, all kinds of just mean, mean things to just insult.

Jad Abumrad

My favorite by far.

Women

[CHANTING]

Jad Abumrad

The chorus that we got to sing these songs were gasping when they read the lyrics.

Women

[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]

Fefe Odudu

English. English translation-- Alake that has the penis-- his penis is as big as a horse.

Jad Abumrad

The Alake has a penis as big as a horse, however--

Fefe Odudu

His vagina Yeah. We will cut because--

[CHATTER]

Jad Abumrad

We will cut it off, basically. The literal translation is, as best as we can tell, we will emit fire from our vaginas that will wound his penis.

Fefe Odudu

You can't. You can't translate them literally like exactly how it is.

Jad Abumrad

This is one of the reasons why the protest movement became known as Vengeance of the Vagina Head.

Women

[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

There is an African tradition called sitting on a man. Sitting on a man means gathering outside of a man's house and singing insulting, derisive songs, and daring him to come out. And men were scared to death of it.

Now, no one woman could talk to her husband like that. So if a man beat a woman, she might run to her market women's group, and then they would descend in the hundreds on her house, telling her husband if he ever beat her again, they were going to deal with them.

Jad Abumrad

Wow.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

So they would start singing those songs to the Alake.

Yeah, they weren't mincing their words.

And then they would say, and we're not leaving either.

Ira Glass

Coming up after the break, the women make the British experience something they have absolutely no answer for. That's in a minute on Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.

It's This American Life. I'm Ira Glass. Today's program, "Bigger Than Me," stories of people trying to rise to the historic moment that they find themselves in. If you're just tuning in, we're in the middle of an excerpt from Jad Abumrad's new podcast about Fela Kuti. This particular story is about Fela's mother, Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti. Jad picks up where he left off. The women are trying to convince the Alake to stop taxing them unfairly.

Jad Abumrad

The market women camped out in the courtyard of the Alake's palace, and then they began round-the-clock shifts. Wole Soyinka remembers that those encampments became like a city.

Wole Soyinka

There were moments of absolute stillness-- for instance, when they started cooking. Because they laid siege. They were there all night, and they took turns. Sometimes would go home, look after the children, and come back to their position. So there was cooking also and the activity, especially at night, when they lit their lamps, oil lamps, to stay on the siege.

Jad Abumrad

At some point, you described yourself as a courier.

Wole Soyinka

Yes, it's true. I was a courier since I was so small. And there were police, lots of police around and the Alake's own guards. Since I was so tiny, people didn't take much notice of me. And so Mrs. Kuti in particular--

Jad Abumrad

He says she would entrust him with these notes.

Wole Soyinka

Little notes to her forces who were scattered in front of the palace.

Jad Abumrad

These protests happened on and off as the year went on.

Judith Byfield

I mean, they literally made the town ungovernable.

Jad Abumrad

They shut down the market, and they stayed camped out just outside the Alake's window.

Judith Byfield

The sea of women is in the palace, and he can't get out.

Jad Abumrad

After several months of this, he starts to crack.

Judith Byfield

Yes. Yes.

Jad Abumrad

And is he amassing soldiers to try and drive a wedge through the protesters?

Judith Byfield

So that's a really interesting story. I learned from the memoir of the main colonial official that they did have soldiers on the edge of town, and they were contemplating bringing the soldiers into town. In fact, the Alake was trying to beg him to bring the soldiers in.

Jad Abumrad

This is not theoretical. Almost 20 years earlier, in a different part of Nigeria, there had been a different revolt, also led by women.

Judith Byfield

Also a struggle around taxation. And in the 29 protests, they did call out the army, and women were killed.

Jad Abumrad

Army opened fire on a crowd and killed over 50 women. A few years before that, in 1918, a similar rebellion ended up with 600 people dead. Fela would actually sing a song about this.

[FELA KUTI SINGING]

He would adapt a folk song that was used in the protest and set it to music.

[FELA KUTI SINGING]

But that's many years later. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. At that moment, if anything, Fela is in the encampment with his mom as the tension mounted, because it looked like this protest with the market women was going to end the same way as the others. Because what the Alake was saying, essentially, to his British masters was what you did last time, do it again, please.

Judith Byfield

They were very conscious of that earlier era. And so in the 47 now, they have the army closed, basically on the edge of town.

Jad Abumrad

The market women are camped out, well aware of the violence that might be about to go down. But both Judith and Cheryl say that somewhere around this point in the standoff, the women begin to protest in an entirely new way. A few of them stepped forward.

Judith Byfield

And they take their clothes off.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

They actually stripped naked.

Jad Abumrad

Apparently, right there in the plaza, some number of women-- we don't have accurate details on, maybe a dozen, maybe a hundred-- they got together and, while facing the Alake window all at once, they disrobed.

Judith Byfield

And the idea is that if you see an older woman naked, that's an abomination.

Jad Abumrad

Judith explained that in many West African cultures, and, in fact, in many other cultures around the world, women disrobing, particularly older women, was thought of as a kind of weapon, a summoning of a spiritual power--

Judith Byfield

Partly because of their ability to procreate, women are thought to be in touch with the spiritual powers around them and thought to be able to really weaponize that.

Jad Abumrad

--that when they disrobed, any man who looked on them was now a target.

I find this moment so interesting. You have these women shoulder to shoulder, putting out a kind of spiritual power, almost like a force field. And then, just outside of town, you have an army.

Judith Byfield

Yeah.

Jad Abumrad

It's like two different epistemologies, in a way, of power.

Judith Byfield

Yes. Yes.

Jad Abumrad

You have military power, and then you have this no less potent symbolic power.

Judith Byfield

Yeah.

Jad Abumrad

And they're lined up against each other.

Judith Byfield

Exactly. And so they have the army close, basically on the edge of town.

Jad Abumrad

And Judith says, if you read the correspondence that was flying back and forth between the Alake, and the generals, and between the various British officers, they were like, fuck. What do we do with this? We could march in, kill them all, as we've done before.

Judith Byfield

But they're saying, do we want to create martyrs?

Jad Abumrad

The British understood on some level that women hold the culture of a place. They are traditionally the child rearers, the relationship tenders. So if you attack them--

Judith Byfield

If they go in and attack these women--

Jad Abumrad

--that might unleash an energy that they can't contain.

Judith Byfield

--that could then bring young men and the ones you usually fear out into the streets as well.

Jad Abumrad

Don't forget, the British were outnumbered. They didn't actually have a lot of soldiers on the ground.

Judith Byfield

And so on one hand, the state is a little hamstrung about how you deal with women.

Jad Abumrad

I think, in general, it's fair to say that a lot of politics is driven by the fact that men are afraid of women. In this case, the British definitely were.

Ruby Harron Walsh

We lived in a constant strain, for we never knew when the pot would boil over.

Jad Abumrad

That is how John Blair, the main colonial officer stationed in Abeokuta, put it in his diary.

Ruby Harron Walsh

When the tension was at its worst, I got quite ill, and the doctor sent me to hospital in Lagos. I was sure I was suffering from nervous exhaustion.

Jad Abumrad

On July 29, 1948, in the dead of night, as protesters were camped all around the palace, the British sent a car to the palace to take the Alake, his wives, and his family away.

Judith Byfield

They snuck him out of town. He didn't want to leave.

Jad Abumrad

They snuck him past all the people?

Judith Byfield

Yeah. They put him in a car. So one of the colonial officials I interviewed had been involved with getting him out of town. And he said they put him in the car and had him lie down on the back seat. So they were sneaking him out without the women being aware that he was leaving town.

Jad Abumrad

Wow.

Judith Byfield

He went into exile.

Jad Abumrad

OK, so this is a speech that the Alake made a few months after they took him away. After more than a half century of service--

Nigerian Reader As The Alake

After more than half a century of service to my country, 28 of which I have given in the capacity of native authority--

Jad Abumrad

I cannot bear any longer the sight of turmoil, strife, and discontent.

Nigerian Reader As The Alake

I have therefore decided, after mature consideration, and in order to avoid bloodshed, to leave the environment of my territory, in the hope that, after a time, frayed tempers will subside and an atmosphere of calm will prevail.

Jad Abumrad

Wow, quite a speech.

[LAUGHTER]

In other words, he abdicated the throne.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

That was huge. No other woman is ever credited with unseating a sitting king.

Nigerian Reader

Drumming began in the Olubunmi houses at 5:00 PM on August 21, 1948, followed by firing of guns by hunters and dance by all at Alake Square. 50 different forms of African dances were in attendance. They were dancing at the dawn of a new day.

Judith Byfield

They talked about Abeokuta being liberated. And they have this thanksgiving ceremony. There's this minister who speaks on behalf of the women. He said it took the women to do what the men couldn't do for 28 years.

This just gives you a sense of this--

Jad Abumrad

And in the archives, what you see from this point forward are hundreds of letters from other women.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

She had letters in her paper from women all over the continent saying, Mother, you have so inspired us.

Nigerian Reader

1948, Dear Mrs. Kuti. I am penning you this day under the respect I owe to women.

Jad Abumrad

Women from unions all over start to reach out.

Nigerian Reader

We, the Alawa Oribe Women's Union, send this letter to ask for your assistance.

Jad Abumrad

Copycat women's unions start to appear everywhere.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

South Africa, the anti-apartheid movement, Ghana.

Jad Abumrad

Arab Women's Society, Union of Albanian Women, Union of Australian Women, Union of Korean Women.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

So you can look everywhere.

Jad Abumrad

Democratic League of Finnish Women, Democratic Union of German Women, Federation of Cuban Women, League for Lebanese Women Rights. Woo. Union of Luxembourg Women. And I'm only at the M's.

Judith Byfield

And you see women everywhere.

Jad Abumrad

We in the West tend to emphasize the legacies of Africa's male leaders, the Kwame Nkrumahs the Nelson Mandelas. But if you look across the continent from this point forward, you see women leading revolts in Senegal, Cameroon, South Africa, Gold Coast, Algeria, Kenya, Mozambique, Ivory Coast, Togo, Mali, Somalia, Egypt. It's a story we've largely missed.

And the erasure of it all kind of landed on us when we went off in search of Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti's grave. Aki, our tour guide from earlier, pointed us toward the Anglican church that was 300 feet from the house.

Producer

Yes, hi. We were told that Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti is buried in this church, or we're not sure which church.

Jad Abumrad

We went there and asked around.

Nigerian Man

[SPEAKING YORUBA]

Jad Abumrad

The guy walked us to the back side of the church.

Jad Abumrad

This is--

Nigerian Man

Yeah, this one.

Jad Abumrad

This here?

Nigerian Man

Fela's mother is here. Fela's mother. Yes.

Jad Abumrad

Here we are.

There was a grave set in concrete. Mrs. Kuti is buried with her husband.

Jad Abumrad

There's a headstone, and then above the headstone is a bust of Reverend Kuti.

And there on the tombstone is his bust, and on the epitaph--

Jad Abumrad

Reverend Israel Oludotun Ransome-Kuti.

--all the details of his life.

Jad Abumrad

President, Nigerian Union of Teachers Association, 1930 to 1954.

He was a very impressive man--

Jad Abumrad

Commission on higher education.

--did a lot to revolutionize the educational system in Nigeria. But his wife, who is buried with him and who led a revolt to depose the king, she's hardly mentioned.

Jad Abumrad

It's crazy they didn't say anything about her.

Barely a word. All there is this one line that says, RIP, my love Funmilayo.

Ruby Harron Walsh

Are you surprised?

Jad Abumrad

A little bit. I was expecting her to have a thing.

Ruby Harron Walsh

Me, too.

Judith Byfield

Yeah, that says a lot.

Jad Abumrad

Even people who do remember her, says Judith, tend to think of her as a footnote in Fela's story, rather than the hero of her own.

Judith Byfield

I so appreciate that you're doing this, though, because that's the thing that drove me crazy. She became reduced to Fela's mother. And so even when I would give talks in Nigeria, people would be surprised at all the stuff that I bring out. Because her activism has just really been forgotten.

Jad Abumrad

Fela Kuti himself would eventually take up positions about the role of women in society that were very controversial and, in many ways, flew in the face of what his mother was fighting for. And yet, he did honor her. He referred to her as the Mother of Nigeria.

And in 1978, when she died, after the government raided his compound and literally threw her out of a window, he records a song called "Unknown Soldier," where he sings about the incident, and you can hear his voice break.

Fela Kuti

Political mama

Influential mama

Ideological mama

Them throw my mama out of from window

Them till my mama

Them kill my mama

Them kill my mama

Them kill my mama

Them kill my mama

Them carry everybody go

Jad Abumrad

So he never forgot what she'd accomplished, and neither did those market women who marched with her.

Yeni Kuti

So let me tell you. My grandmother.

Jad Abumrad

This is Yeni Kuti, Fela's oldest daughter, Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti's granddaughter.

Yeni Kuti

My grandmother, when we were burying her, we went in a convoy to Abeokuta. Abeokuta is her town. When we got to the border of Abeokuta, there was this mammoth crowd of women-- mammoth crowd of women.

We had to stop. They took her body from us, and they walked with her. And they honored her as the voice of the women. It was a people's funeral. It was a people's funeral.

Ira Glass

Jad Abumrad's podcast about Fela is called Fela Kuti: Fear No Man. You can get it wherever you get your podcasts.

Fela Kuti

That's my mama who you kill

She fought for universal adult suffrage

That my mama who you kill

She's the only mother of this country

That my mama who you kill

She's the only mother of Nigeria

Ira Glass

Well, today's program was produced by Valerie Kipnis and Emmanuel Dzotsi. The people who helped put the show together today include Michael Comite, Suzanne Gaber, Sophie Gil, Cassie Howley, Seth Lind, Stowe Nelson, Katherine Rae Mondo, Nadia Reiman, Alissa Shipp, Christopher Swetala, and Marisa Robertson-Textor.

Our managing editor is Sarah Abdurrahman. Our senior editor is David Kestenbaum. Our executive editor is Emanuele Berry.

Jad's collaborators in making his Fela series were Ian Wheeler, Ngofeen Mputubwele, Ruby Harron Walsh, Fayfay Odudu, and Olawakemi Aladesuyi. The series was edited by Ben Adair.

Special thanks as well to Vtech, Funmi Arewa, Debbie Ohiri, who put together the choir singing protest songs throughout this episode. Adéróké helped translate those songs. The episode was fact checked by Robin Reid and Jamila Wilkinson.

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Wole Soyinka

Taxes.

Judith Byfield

Taxes.

Cheryl Johnson-Odom

Taxes.

Judith Byfield

Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes.

Ira Glass

I'm Ira Glass. Back next week with more stories of This American Life.

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