Ira plays tape from an interview that he did more than 20 years ago, with the author Doris Lessing, about her novel The Fifth Child, which tells the story of a woman who gives birth to a goblin-like baby. The archival audio appears courtesy of National Public Radio, Inc.

Then Ira's conversation with Cheryl, from the top of the show, continues. She talks about the impossible decision she's facing: whether to keep her son in the home or to send him away in order to protect her other two kids. (6 minutes)